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Regarding the flow rate of the filter, I have explained this in detail previously, you can check this out:

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要留意濾桶流量的廠方 rating 多是以空桶和零揚程計算,所以當你塞滿濾材然後將水谷上離濾桶一米高的缸頂,實際濾桶流量可能一半都無。行了幾個月後,濾桶內積聚大量污物,進一步減 D 流量,到時可能連 1/3 的廠方 rating 都 keep 唔到。另摩打好力與否同摩打的 capacity 是兩樣不同的特性。我們形容摩打好力通常是指高扭力。所以1000L/hr 同 1200L/hr 無乜分別,但 Eheim 1000L/hr 一定好力過大陸 1200L/hr!要留意揚程等數據和你實際使用時所需揚程的流量。高揚程多數係高扭力,亦即所謂較好力的摩打。若因流量過大出現打大風一D都唔難處理,將雨淋管的孔改大,或將出水口向上或缸邊或甚至加出水口分流也可。

On top of the 揚程 issue, the path of the circulation also will slow down the circulation. When you add more 轉角位 into the circulation path, the flow rate will reduce. Therefore if you include a chiller into the water circulation path (which you have to), then you have to expect further lost in ACTUAL circulation.

If you really cannot use two filter, then go for the Eheim 2078 or the Classic 2260. To be honest, I personally prefer the Clasic 2260 over the Eheim 2078. 2078 is more "convenient" but 2260 is more powerful in terms of filtration efficiency. If you can install two filter, then add 2217 or 2208 into your system and that will definitely work better. Two is better then one in my experience, you can stop one filter for cleaning and don't have to worry that the aquarium has no circulation during the cleaning time, even using a small 2217, this will allow you to remove the main filter from your tank for 1 day, and you can really clean up the filter without worrying that the N cycle will be damaged significantly.

For the chiller, I use TR20 right now, so I am familiar with the 日生,海利 and Teco products, but if I must recommend a Artica, I would say 075 is the lowest possible model according to the data sheet you provided.

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Thanks, Andy.
If i am going to have two 濾桶. I can buy a 2217(1000L/H) with my current 2215 (620L/H)? So, 2217 is enough to push the chiller dba-075?
On dba-075, the spec. on the website is 130 gallon tank. how come it is just enough to run my tank? just curious to know only.
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The spec only said good for 130 gallon, but it doesn't say the temp factor, does that mean -5 degree or - 10 degree? what is the operation condition when work with a 130 gallon tank?

At a really hot summer, HK can reach 35 degree outdoor, and slightly higher indoor when A/C is not working. The water temp. of an aquarium will be 1-2 degree higher because we have water pump and lighting in the system. In other word, we need to be able to reduce the temp. of an aquarium from 37 degree to 25 degree. Therefore when we pick a chiller for a planted aquarium, we want to maintain capacity to cool down 15 degree at least. A "correct" description to describe the cooling capacity is something like -5 degree for 150 gallon, -10 degree for 75 gallon, and -15 degree for 50 gallon, ... etc etc. If the general spec. only said up to 160gallon, I'll assume it is -5 degree at that water capacity only.

Beside, the figure assumes you can meet the operation condition and ventilation is the key factor here. Even you put your chiller outside the cabinet, it doesn't necessarily means you have provided the optimum operation condition immediately. Try to measure the temp of the air-outlet of the chiller when the compressor is operating and you'll understand what I mean. When the operation environment is not fully ventaliated, the chiller will start to lost efficient, and reduce coling capacity.

075 is designed to work in the range of 4-16 gallon per minute, which is 960 L/hr to 3840L/hr. The 2217 is very marginal in feeding the 075 in real operation. Don't compare the figure of 2217 with these figure directly. 1000L/hr at 2217 was measured at ZERO 揚程 and very littler filter material inside, you won't achieve anything near this when you setup the 2217 in real life.
For the 2215 won't really help in a big aquarium like this. As I mentioned previously, the actual flow capacity were affected by 揚程 (from the location of the pump to the highest point of the water circulation) and the material you put inside the filter, so the 620 L/hr rating in 2215 probably won't even reach 400L/hr in real life.

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Thank you so much. That would save a lot of money by not purchas a wrong equipment.
Perheps, I will get a 2260 to push the chiller and keep my 2215 in the tank just for a second filter to run the cycle as you said. I beleived that should be a better choice.
But, i would need to check the price for 2260 and dba-150.
By the way, how is the teco quality and which model would fit me? I am just afraid that dba-150 is far away from my budget.


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TR10 is 1/8HP, it is slightly better then 075 but not as good as 150. TR15 is 1/5 HP and TR20 is 1/3HP, so they equivalent to 150 and 250 respectively.

If you go for Teco, I suggest you go for TR15 , it can pull down 15 degree for 300L. These figures also suggested that 150 is the right choice for your setup if you were to go for Artica.
http://www.aquaristic.net/teco-tr-15.html?lang=1

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is the teco running good? coz many people said it has water leaking.
:x the 2260 look like a huge bin, i just check the picture of it.


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:grin: 剛剛check 左 teco tr15 賣$3250, tr20賣3700. 差小小,好唔好用tr20好d呢?
有無人知arctica dba-150賣幾錢呀?
eheim 2260 知唔知咩价?


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:o 點解2260有2個樣
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:x just called a few shop, they said the 2260 is way too big for the chiller because the water haven't been cold and already go to the tank. 1600-1800 L/H is more than enough.
:| very confused now.
update price :
dba-075 $6600 with 10% off
dba-150 $7450 with 10% off
tr-15 $3250
tr-20 $3700
EHEIM 2075 $2380 1250L/H
EHEIM 2076 $3500 1650L/H
EHEIM 2260 $2900 2400L/H


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確實全行都叫佢大垃圾桶!
我隻TR20 好穩定,無漏水!而且1/3HP計佢最細部!

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你拆在上面灰色個上罩咪變身下圖!

就係因為差價小,所以真係好多人原本買TR15都改買TR20


TR20 是最平的釱鼓水冷,好多咸水魚友採用,在咸水缸的水流大好多,用3000L/hr 推水冷的大有人在,包括我自己都試過將隻E仔垃圾桶改用大一級的1262 泵(3400L/hr)來駁水冷,用左成年都無事,放心啦!

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你拆在上面灰色個上罩咪變身下圖!

就係因為差價小,所以真係好多人原本買TR15都改買TR20


TR20 是最平的釱鼓水冷,好多咸水魚友採用,在咸水缸的水流大好多,用30000L/hr 推水冷的大有人在,包括我自己都試過將隻E仔垃圾桶改用大一級的1262 泵(3400L/hr)來駁水冷,用左成年都無事,放心啦!


好, 信你. eheim 2260 + 2215. tr20同dba-150有何分別? :grin: 如果質素差唔多,點解要用double价錢買相似既野. heat? noise? last longer? I don't mind to pay more if arctica is really better. but, just want to get an excuse for myself. tr20 vs dba-150


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:grin: 剛剛check 左 teco tr15 賣$3250, tr20賣3700. 差小小,好唔好用tr20好d呢?
有無人知arctica dba-150賣幾錢呀?
eheim 2260 知唔知咩价?

Arctica個價貴Teco好多wow,除非水貨, 隔離台有, Arctica出名靜同慳電, 我上一季尾買左部Fishcool 200 (Arctica 唔同名既OEM)非常靜, 推薦! 同我之前部日生同匹數, 但制冷速度同靜, 完全兩回事。睇下今年個電費單就知分別係咪值啦!

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:grin: 剛剛check 左 teco tr15 賣$3250, tr20賣3700. 差小小,好唔好用tr20好d呢?
有無人知arctica dba-150賣幾錢呀?
eheim 2260 知唔知咩价?

Arctica個價貴Teco好多wow,除非水貨, 隔離台有, Arctica出名靜同慳電, 我上一季尾買左部Fishcool 200 (Arctica 唔同名既OEM)非常靜, 推薦! 同我之前部日生同匹數, 但制冷速度同靜, 完全兩回事。睇下今年個電費單就知分別係咪值啦!


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:grin: all confirmed now.
Thanks to all brothers to give me a long long advice and suggestion.
tank : 48x18x18
filter: 2260+2215
lightering : bcd54wx6 (since glo can not flip over)
co2 : current one
chiller: dba-150

all set and waiting to purchase by march.


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