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態度不好已經唔掂!!! 仲要話人見鬼, 隻眼有事!!! 不可原諒解!!!


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To 雪山飛狐:
I use one which i bought from Apliu street, from the roadside light store, $38, my other one is a smaller size one, $35:
TR-602 EN60928, someone mentioned u can get them from
得利五金超級市場
地址:觀塘駿業街66號巧運工業大廈A2-D地下
個火牛叫電子鎮流器-40w
間舖係超級市場型式,放近萬能插蘇左近,
size:約長70mmX闊35mmX高25mm

Get one that is slightly overrated for ur tube, ie, 27W tube, get one rated at least up to 30W, so that at initial startup, it can supply enough current to driving the tube up.

For my PML light, i measured only the smaller size ballast can fit in nicely. For cyberaqua, both ballasts can fit in. I took out the old ballast and starter, and put in smaller e-ballast, lots of room. So far the effect on cyberaqua is very noticeable, much brighter and instant start and much cooler.

When u diy cyberaqua, u might want to check the switch, whether on L or N wire, and if needed, change the switch to the L wire side.


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Oh yes, also keep the earth connection (connected to the casing) in the cyberaqua.

B4 i diy, i think the cyberaqua leak some electricity, cuz when i touch the light, a little feeling of numbness, now after diy, no such feeling anymore.


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註冊時間: 2001-11-25 08:00
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嘩!!千祈咪將開關掣搭在"L"線, 燈掣漏電你就大鑊啦!!!! 跟返原本線路換火牛就得o架啦!


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正常既電路 , 開關掣都係應該安裝係 "L" 火 線 或 正極 "+" 架啦!


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Those plug with switch, the switch is also on L.

Just a thought, maybe we should also put in a fuse on L to make it safer. Even if switch fail, the fuse acts as a protection,
just like what is done in "safe" plug with switch and fuse.

If switch on N, then we have: L-----light---switch----N, if a short or sth on the light: L---light---human---ground, switch bypass, even if it is off. Light is always potentially on.

Could that be the reason of the glow even after turn off?? need to check that myself...

Maybe those with electrical license can comment.

ps, i think even if switch on N, 燈掣漏電 also 大 鑊, cuz a complete circuit is still formed.


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詳細我都不想大花唇舌了, 這是一支魚缸燈, 換組件還可以, 總之都是一句:

[glow color=#00FF00]不要擅自更改電器的線路!![/glow]


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Alan2002兄:
我都試過幫一枝大陸PL燈換過13w飛利蒲筷子管火牛,但係唔知點解行枝11W既OSRAM筷子管隻火牛都超熱!而且有時行多過一星期就唔行,我再檢查時線路又無發現問題,之後又可以著番!令我好頭痛!

TCC兄:
請放心,簡單電器產品我相信我有足夠知識去應付,危險的事我不會做的!


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tcc說得對,因開關駁在黑線N(亦何能是藍色,因鬼佬好多係患色盲,分唔到紅黑)即是鎮流.依然有負載,即是工作狀態,不但耗電,且觸電機會亦大o左。
最慘如果問屋舊無水氣制,或是水氣制唔work,如或者貪方便在燈制及冷氣及抽氣扇制位駁電.都是觸電之因由。
所以有時電器師傅用他筆或他燈都度到N線及水線有電到,行內術語叫"回頭青",所以他們工作們都假設任何線都有電的。 (有理由相信係cyber aqua燈關了仍是閃動原因之一)
所以我都不建議你用繆做外殼的國產鎮流,最好揀金屬外殼及註明ENXXXX的如Philips ,or OSRAM等,它的鎮流是有L, N,及Earth入線位,
駁錯機曾是很低的。

如有錯漏,煩請更正!
人命攸關,請各DIY之友小心!


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alan2002:

如果你曾將開關掣改往L線, 聽我誠意勸告, 改回N線吧.


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雖則說他們產品質素較低, 這只是純粹質素的問題而已, 但也不致於胡亂搭線的, 放在N線是有原因的.


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Thank tcc for the advice. i will double check about that.
maybe a fuse and earth properly is needed for double double safety.

btw, the original cyberaqua, when i touch the casing, feels a little numbness, anyone experience that??


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0甘駁線法好少! 人0地麼打的控制(索制)或紅綠襟手至有.
除直流低壓電外,正常好少出現,0吾通佢真係用2 POLE 開關(即是L,N 一起切斷電流?
真係懷疑吾湢壽間o野入0的大陸水貨!


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To tcc:
I have double checked the switch connection and i think my initial logic is correct. This is a quote from what i found. Although it is based on the US regulation (ie 110V), the logic should applied here as well.

"Wiring should always be done according to National Electric Code rules, both
for safety and for insurance purposes. The switch MUST go in the hot side,
NEVER in the neutral side. The reason for this is so that when the switch is
off, all current is cut off to the appliance or device being powered. If you
switched the neutral side, there would still be a full 115 volts being
applied to one side of the circuit, and the appliance would always pose a
shock hazard, even when switched off. Switching the hot side removes all
voltage to the appliance, and leaves the appliance grounded for safety when
it is switched off. To wire otherwise is a violation of NEC code, and could
possibly introduce some liability issues should someone be killed or injured
by the appliance, or should there be a fire and the fire or insurance
inspector later discovers the appliance was not correctly wired according to
code. The black wire should be the hot side, and white should be neutral.
(The National Electric Code mandates that the lighter colored wire should be
ground. The exception is green, which is ALWAYS ground, and can NEVER be
hot. On the 110 v polarized 2-prong plugs, the wider prong is always the
ground; the narrower prong is hot. It is customary for appliance cord to
carry a rib or ribs over one conductor. The ribbed side of 2-conductor wire
should always be the ground side. When doing your own wiring, it is always
best to do your work as conservatively as possible, and that means to use
3-conductor wires with a 3-conductor plug. By wiring the third (green) wire
to the metal frame or metal case of the appliance or lighting fixture, the
frame or case is permanently grounded and should never pose a shock hazard,
which is of special interest for an electrical item being used around water.
The electrical department of hardware stores should carry little paperback
booklets that illustrate or describe how wiring should be done to conform to
NEC. They're usually very inexpensive booklets, and will help keep you out
of trouble."

There is also another site with a wiring diagram:
http://misty.com/people/don/f-lamp.html#wd

Note that it is good practice to ground the metal casing of the light fixture for safety.

Also, since the L feed the ballast, which generate the required voltage and current to the tube. If the switch is not on L, b4 the ballast, that means the ballast is always live fed. Any short, or accidental touching with ur hand will then provide a complete circuit for the current!

Btw, I open up the light fixture of both my PML and cyberaqua, and this is the situation: all switch correctly connect on the L wire, b4 the ballast. Ground wires of the 2 lights are connected to the casing properly.
So the basic connection is correct, and the fixture properly grounded for safety(provided of course that the power plug of the light is 3-pin).

So, no need to rewire the switch, just change the ballast to e-ballast. My 25W magnetic ballast in the cyberaqua was not enough to drive the 27W PL tube, that's why it flickers when start up. I simply change it with an e-ballst, and now it works beautifully.

Maybe the numbness is sth to do with the magnetic ballst?
I recall now that the numbness is only felt when light is on.


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sorry for the long post Super, serious issue when come to diy+electricity!! SAFETY FIRST.


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